Although I still would only do it in a more extreme or solitary instance, rather than a pattern of behavior. Yes to this Meanwhile I prefer for casual-visit to mean lets go out to the coffee shop, even though that really strains my budget, because I both have executive function issues that affect my house and experience a lot of shame over those issues. and my shame level is much much higher and so I never have people over without a sometimes-tearful marathon clean that leaves me too exhausted to enjoy it. Today, after school. Number 1: All of this. I have a very polite no soliciting sign on the gate. She had never received the invitations (thanks, post office! Secondly I don't think he would even look at you if he wouldn't like you. I love her dearly and wish I could see her more, but every time she does this I get hives and feel panicky and cornered and like my inability to see her on Day X is somehow a Thing That Is My Fault and I Suck As A Friend. Obviously a glass of water isnt an imposition, especially if youve been riding a bike around, but it feeds into number 1. People literally opened each others front doors and let themselves in. Yeah!. I think things are different if there wouldnt be any expectation of an invitemy co-workers weekend plans, for instance, are common Friday conversationsbut in those situations people dont have feelings to manage. When I say Im going, Im not asking to be made to stay, I want to go freely (at this point Im thinking of my grandmother, wholl always start begging me to stay longer when Im just too tired already and having to negotiate my right to leave doesnt help). Im free next Thursday, if you want to try for then?. If a loose, friendly group regularly go out for lunch at work, or meet for drinks afterward, it's probably alright to come along one day. A random person? Click here to go to the free training. We actually moved to a new unit in our complex to get away from her. It's my birthday and I hope you won't be left out. The soft invite is way too easy to brush off, especially with the level of over-scheduling that exists at certain socio-economic levels. So a man who came by during those hours would be required to stand on the porch or at most in the foyer and state his business. I had thought about naked secrecy ( another poster), but he did shower at night as a rule. You BETTER be there because Im already on my way AND I washed my hair for you. I cant wait until we have the house finished so I can start locking the door again. Thats seriously a thing?? Every situation is different. Walk up to my door Guess dichotomy, but one thing that Ive realized I have friends who will ask, but theyre totally fine with cheerfully accepting my no or I cant this time or actually, I prefer to see that friend one on one, etc. Whether youre in your 20s or 50s, you still dont want to come on too desperate or too strong at the same time. You may be right that she doesnt want as close a relationship, or she might just have a preference in this particular thing, as some people do. I dont mind drop-ins, if its just a rare opportunity thing like they were down the street running an errand. Why wouldnt we invite you! I wish the african violet idea had been around back then. It also varies depending on how close my relationship is with someone. Keeping a lot of lies straight is a very stressful endeavor. In some cases, it might intimidate the guys, since in this situation you are the one leading the dance. But she didnt like me much, and I didnt care much, so whatever. BUT.is it because you assume that is the case when you happen to know someone was in the area and yet didnt drop round? But it seriously blows my mind. I was recently called out for inviting myself over to my friends home to show off my new bike. And then Shut. Me: Option 1: Ummmm okay I guess. Option 2: I dont want to do that *explain why*. I mean, if people need to identify and express that cleaning/not-cleaning comes with a sense of shame, go for it! want to come down and get food? and its not a problem (or at worst ill say, whoa still in bed but come up and ill get dressed and then we can go.) and ive had friends who say you walked by my apartment? Its 9:30am on a Saturday. We both think its only healthy for people in a relationship to have separate social lives as well as social things they do together were not joined at the hip. INDEED. * That very easily could be in the category of very close family. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. How to Get Over a Guy You Had a Crush on Guys are simple creatures, but it can still be frustrating trying to get them to do what you want. You are invited to the birthday party of my sweet little baby who is turning one on coming Sunday. Para enviarnos tus inquietudes, ideas o simplemente saber ms acerca de Cuida Tu Dinero, escrbenos. ), This doesnt mean it cant be okay in specific workplaces, or with specific people! No notice necessary.. That is outrageous! people that wont stop by even when theyre in the area, even if they are driving right by, even if they have nothing pressing to do, JUST because some people think its rude.- Do you actually know thats why, though? STOP THAT, PEOPLE. Don't just say, "I was thinking I could come over on Friday." People seem to vary widely, so Im a big proponent of Ask, not Guess. Calling me from the car as you sit in my driveway, However, if I am waiting for you to pick me up, please do not text me to say you are waiting. I explained that to my friends in advance before ever accepting an invitation and when I do get there early I offer my help in setting things up. Based on his demeanor he is ready too but is probably too shy to ask you over. understanding what the other person wants you to do or say about it Then suddenly it became not okay for ME to do that. Its uncomfortable for the non-invitee, as well. That sounds nice, but I need to find this part for my vacuum cleaner means No. If you get one of these refusals-for-reasons, a good thing to do is to saysome variation of Gotcha! Ive often considered having a certain day be my at home day, as was common in the Regency period. So I guess the implications will just have to come along too. Seriously. I want to hang out, but Im not psychic! Be confident and approach the situation with success in mind. Sometimes it's totally fine. Its very common for people to recall the past in a way that reflects an idealized world, or at least one that mirrors a happy period in their young life. I think one of the key pieces there, too, is that there was a clearly-defined room for doing the visiting in, which was otherwise generally not lived in. Especially because Im a person who is constantly worried about if Im inconveniencing them or pressuring them. If I know the people in question well enough I will sometimes just be explicit. In this situation there's likely an unofficial standing offer where anyone who's interested can show up. Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. The picture Im getting is that LWs friend is trying to redraw some boundaries and doing an sloppy job of it. No matter how close we are. I asked N if that was ok, she said it was, and that K is always at her house anyways. My gran is old-fashioned enough that she has actual calling cards with nothing but her name on them, so if she drops by someones house and theyre not home, she tucks the card in the doorframe to let them know she was there. Im also kind of allergic to planning sometimes because I have no idea if Ill be having a depressive episode or some other shenanigans that day and have to cancel, and I dont want to be known as that person who randomly flakes on everything. The less long term friend events planning I can do, the better. Either way, the fact is that they arent making you a priority, so stop scanning no for signs and traces of a yes. There are people who use boundaries as a tool for good and people who use them as an excuse to be douche canoes. I think that's often what's really at the heart of it when people ask if it's okay to invite themselves somewhere. I definitely make sure my friends all know that I might have to cancel closer to an event if Im feeling terrible (depressive/anxiety). Obviously it has practical caveats, but not answering would train people not to just drop in. If you were invited, youd already be invited. The guy had the kind of job that involved getting up before dawn and he was already in bed he wasnt super impressed, and thats when I started really thinking about whether it was OK to just drop in on people not everyone has the same schedule as me. Since she instead replied, Dont invite yourself over, Id take it as a sign that she really just needs some space. To go to his door Id have to find a parking spot (often tricky, could be blocks away), pay for parking, walk to his door, and use the buzzer which just calls his cell phone anyway! Its funny, because my boyfriend is the opposite. Looking back on it I can see my mother had some pretty serious anxiety issues that we kids had no clue about at the time, but the whole thing has had a lasting effect on me. And maybe its just me, but honestly? If she asks to go to yours, you can defer; "yes, I will have to invite you over soon". Cleanliness and organization goes for your bedroom too. See Id totally get that we should do this! doesnt actually mean it until you make specific plans, but as soon as someone actually mentions a day Id assume its something that is almost certainly going to happen and we just need to confirm the time. That seems healthy. im just saying that i didnt invite you is not a reason, but i would rather go with my bestie is. Me: Goodnight, Britney. From my own life, Im a person who likes hosting but deeply disliked the conversation I had: Hey, Ive been wanting to watch This Old Movie, do you want to watch it with me? Sure, Im free all weekend Great, Ill be over at 3. It wasnt always this way. This sounds exactly like the developmental stage that our kid is going through shes currently grappling with the fact that other people wont always do things just because she demands it, and having temper tantrums when she gets confronted with that fact. I dont find that this crimps my social life at all, for what its worth. She whined about it to someone else, who told me about it. Apparently Bride was really mad because I am not sure why. again, we dont all have to be friends. Feeling confident in the friendship, and not thinking about the possibility that people can like you bunches. Bye have fun! But I care. Yeah the idea of being judged for passing through and not stopping and diverting your route to go see someone every time? The Captains given some good general guidelines, but when it comes to the specific relationship between the LW and this friend, I think in some ways its simpler, because its an individual. I dont expect everyone to like the same things I like or vice versa, but different strokes for different folks. Even if it was their idea. Yeah, my schedule generally involves napping for several hours in the middle of the day. More answers below Cheryl Robinson-Atwood Former RN (1996-2009) Author has 2.4K answers and 1.9M answer views Dec 13 Sponsored by Forbes Advisor Best pet insurance of 2023. One time she offered to help me pack for a camping trip with my friends that she wasnt even going on and only gave me 5 mins of advance notice. For any other reason just tell the truth, tell her you want to watch your favourite movie with her or cook together or whatever that may be of interest for the both of you. #1 reason I would be hostile to a rare drop-in is because I do not actually like the person. It is exactly what the Captain says about her not having the bandwidth to reach out to me so maybe I should just let it go but I miss her so much and I dont want to lose the connection. in Psychology. Since there is zero version of that conversation that is not hella fraught, Ive opted not to have it, and instead stick to declining her requests to babysit and make plans for us that dont include the kids (or if they do include the kids, I make sure that were not at home its more of a problem when shes in my kids space than when theyre all at, say, the beach). Age group and environment probably matters too. Im getting married in a little over 4 weeks (OMG OMG 4 WEEKS PANIC!!!) I think, overall, this is one of those situations where theres no one solution, like Everyone Must Always Call In Advance And Schedule Plans And Never Drop By. I think Miss Manners would concur that its incredibly rude to discuss plans in front of those who have been excluded (not by accident, but intentionally). I dont know why, still. Its much harder to say no gently if you just want a quiet afternoon alone and someone is a block from your house wanting to come over and they can see your car in the driveway. I have not seen most of those people since many of them failed out after a semester, and I have not seen the remainder since I changed majors and no longer had to see Britney and her friends all the time, and I am so happy about it. I personally would lean toward expecting people at least 5-10 minutes early or late and talk to them if they go beyond that and its a problem. Word. - JAD Aug 1, 2017 at 14:12 3 "Do take pictures" could be an alternative - JollyJoker Aug 1, 2017 at 14:44 9 Also, LW, Im sorry to say this but it sounds like your friend is trying to pull a slow fade. You are already doing the right thing by asking, and if people are saying yes, then I would say everything is fine! And articulately. And Ill send that message a week or two in advance. I cant always do everything with all the family. It would be different if I was hanging out with two people and then only plotted with one of them. I didnt know what to do and chased after her. Copyright. And I dont actually talk about the wedding that much simply because I find it tedious when someone else keeps going on about something. Until then, however, I'm not available for get-togethers at my house." he had a lot of realities to manage. They think Im being silly when Im unsure like that. At this point I just put all the blame on my ridiculously small washing machine, and any time I dont want company I claim Im stuck doing laundry allll day so I simply couldnt possibly or no one will have clean pants. They would be all excited to go out on Friday night, explicitly invite me but not set up any details, then the day before or day of, I would text so where are we going and when? then hear nothing back. An ex-partner of mine used to plan their scheduling (work, social and romantic) very tightly. But its also a huge life event (or can be, anyway) so expecting you to never mention it to non-invitees is kind of ridiculous. We werent students for whom casual unstructured socializing is often more the norm. The society believes that 'male borns' are not often clean. A quick I just got my new bike at that shop down the street, do you have a few minutes to tell me how awesome it is? call or text would probably have been better, had you but known. In this particular situation, I dont think you did something WRONG/horribly rude, but your friend is now giving you the cue of please dont do this. So, you just gotta respect that for her, at least for right now, invites to her place are a no go. When people tell you which thing they like, listen to them. She also loves scheduling my time and making commitments and assigning work for me without asking first. But if Im invited to Camilles for dinner, I wont assume that everyone we both know is also invited. I dont even know how to make polite noises. DO: Mind your children. Ill have discomfort discussing a plan with a person if its a plan that they could conceivably have been involved with. Look, there's a good chance if she's agreed to come over, you'll end up in bed together, and the last thing you want is to bring her into a lair of disarray. Most of the time its a welcome treat and diversion in my day. One caveat to this is if you KNOW youre going to be near me every Saturday at Noon, and you start texting me every Saturday at 11, I might get annoyed. When they write about the work situation they say that they ask first if its ok. We dont have enough information to know whether this was appropriate in the context of the relationship. Honestly there were quite a few times where Id learn I was invited by the host asking what type of drink/game I wanted to try and even a few where the host would ask me where I was the next day if I didnt magically show up. All the needs to happen after that is showing up, right? Just ask them what they are doing the night of the event then say "oh cool" or something like that then keep talking about it until they invite you. Also, I dont really agree that there was a certain time when these things were normal and now its all changed. . Or in the North, for heat-related reasons, and also only one of us should have to brave the cold and ice. Homemade meals, as old-fashioned as they may appear, can be hearty, flavorful, warm, and simple to make. She, the etiquette queen, would leave me hanging for months before answering. Even if the person talking about the fun thing is a close friend, I clarify whether Im wanted there, and I try to do so in a way that doesnt sound like Im angling for an invitation. They would invite you if they wanted! Its not that different. Maybe her social expectations are different to mine or what I grew up with. I say invite T.! And mine is people that wont stop by even when theyre in the area, even if they are driving right by, even if they have nothing pressing to do, JUST because some people think its rude. If Im not specifically invited I assume Im not invited. It's a public place. I get where youre coming from, and there are some benefits to brutal honesty, but not everyone is comfortable with being brutal to friends. I know some families like to plan a group vacation together, but I never encountered anyone just trying to invite themselves on someones personal holiday! I wouldnt assume stop by for a hug means needy at all, so long as thats something the LW previously asked for/negotiated with her friend. Showing up 10 minutes early to a business appointment shows organization and interest and a willingness to wait respectfully in the lobby until theyre ready for you. I once got taken by surprise by my cousin at her birthday party asking why my boyfriend hadnt come. I'm telling you from experience: Nothing is going to kill the vibe quicker than a dirty, dank, disgusting apartment. Some of my mothers friends assume that its only polite to call when youre in the area and see if they want to hang out, and some of my generation shame-clean less than other people. A lot of people were raised in families where avoidance of awkward situations is the only model they know, so they just dont have the communication tools to do anything else. Without telling us?). Additional awkwardness if I have company already and didnt invite the drop-inner. In the end though it would have been much better for us if Id set stronger boundaries at the outset. Because while there are people (very extremely few people) I can happily hang out with regularly for 9 hours, they are not them. Things have changed since I was young. Now that there isnt a standard, or at least not one I received, unexpected visits turn into waiting games with awkward dancing around getting someone to leave at the end. So, unless Camille brings up her party in front of Bob, Im unlikely to talk about it. when I was in high school: I own a phone for my convenience, not yours. I apply this to the doorbell as well. If a friend texts me to say Hey, just bought a new bike at the shop around the corner, can I stop by on my way home and show it to you? then I wont mind coming out onto the driveway for 10 minutes to admire the bike and catch up. I dont live my life in such a way that Im always prepared for unexpected visitors. Im an extreme introvert and wouldnt want people dropping in on me either, but if it had been my boyfriend, I wouldnt have minded. I think Laura Ingalls Wilder imprinted that on me. 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