It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). to reconsider getting some help with that. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Their murdered son was gone forever and now word that their sons son would be born into the world in five months. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. Then, upon. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. 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HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. show takes four couples who are having trouble. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? This book was very well written, and straight to the point. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. Very brave parents. Canadian authorities arrested Turner in early December 2001, but fatefully, released her on bail as she waited for a series of decisions regarding Pennsylvanias request for extradition. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. murderer in check. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. Whom was also a doctor. 1 Photo. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. Something went wrong, please try again later. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. Just rage. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. This is a fantastic book. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. KATE: I had a great childhood. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. All Access Digital offer for just 99 cents! Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. He said, `What do you mean?' First she killed Andrew Bagby. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. Each decision is subject to appeal. I dont know.. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. They have a network of supporters. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. I hate it. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. Those words, David says, are burned into my heart.. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Id come in and Id be excited, Kate says. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. But he could not get rid of her.. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". You could see Andrew in that boy. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. I couldn't see the point anymore. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Her former lover was found dead in a parking lot at Keystone State Park in Pennsylvania,northeast of Pittsburgh. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) You don't like this answer, but I'm going to, give it to you again. Zachary thought he could just walk. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. "They are appalled and outraged.". The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. His parents were ecstatic. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. He said, `What can happen?'. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. I would really like for you and Kate. Even before the ultimate tragic end,I strongly felt that it was a crime within itself that that woman had that defenceless child. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? then one day I realized what it was. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. a month after 30 days. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. They're like, `What do you mean?' I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. So I gave her the. Its rage with me, he says. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. KATE: Ah, it was wonderful. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. If you dont believe that, you need only follow the Bagbys lives over the past five years. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Neither speaks for the other. Meeting her at 6. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. The full hour will not be available online. I had a husband I loved. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. Cpl. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. 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